designs. i'm buying a dress, that's all i know, on facebook. >> i learned that bill clinton is holding forth being the consultant in chief, offering big solutions and is finding clinton-esque ways of doing it. which is bringing people together. >> he'll be on the show tomorrow. an incredible interview with the head of the nsa and the cia, general michael hayden. really, really great insight i think today on the nsa situation. okay. if it's way too early, it's time for "morning joe." but now it's time for "the daily rundown" with chuck todd. have a great day, everyone. spilling secrets. the man in charge at the nsa delivers a bombshell revelation about what the u.s. spy program has prevented, so he claims. while the worldwide man hunt continues for the man who set off this firestorm. hillary clinton makes her first

big play in the second city. headlining in the hometown she shares with president obama. while her husband publicly splits with him on syria. and then we're taking a deep dive into some midterm math you should get to learn. we set up the demographics of destiny. could the democrats have the sho short-term advantage? >> good morning. today is june 13th, 2013. thursday. welcome to "the daily rundown." now here's chuck todd. >> thank you to the democrat star pitcher. the big charity game is supposed to be tonight at national stadium. but of course weather permitting that one looks like they're going to have to reschedule it. we shall see. let's get to the first reads of the morning. just about an hour from now, nsa

director general keith alexander will be back on the hill for a closed house intelligence committee hearing on recent leak, of classified information. representatives will breech the senate intelligence committee this afternoon in a session which is open to all members of the senate. on wednesday in a rare public session the nsa director defensed the agency's surveillance programs and said their disclosure has done, quote, great harm to the nation's security. >> it's dozens of terrorist events that these have helped prevent. >> congress, i believe, has to stand up on behalf of the american people. some of these are still going to be classified and should be. because if we tell the terrorists every way we're going to track them, they will get through and americans will die. >> alexander also heads the u.s.

cyber command and was there to testify on cyber security. ended up getting grilled by senators. >> i'm trying to look at the resume background for this individual who had access to this highly classified information at such a young age with a limited educational and work experience. part of it as a security guard. >> i do have concerns about that. over the process, senator. i have grave concerns over that. >> mr. snowden claimed that due to his position at nsa, he could tap into virtually any american's phone calls or e-mails. true or false? >> false. i know of no way to do that. >> well, he also learned some new information about the nsa program. senate intelligence committee chair dianne feinstein revealed in kwi iquestioning that the ph

records database is used for more than just counterterrorism. suggesting it may be used to slow iran's nuclear program. then she disclosed the telephone records in the database are destroyed after five years. overall, as skeptics grilled alexander, the supporters, along with committee chair mikulski and others, tried to end up running interference and they only had mixed success. >> what authorized investigation gave you the grounds for acquiring my cell phone data? >> i do think what we should do is part of perhaps the closed hearing tomorrow walk through that with the intent of taking what you've asked and seeing if we can get it declassified and out to the american people. >> the answer i would suggest should be writing. that way, you get it right and he gets his answer. how does that sound? >> after buzz feeds rosie gray

tweeted, is trying hard to keep the other senators from asking alexander any more about data mining programs. mikulski took the unusual step of firing back about the tweet. >> i want to respond to a tweet about me from rosie gray. there is no attempt to stifle any senator. so rosie, it's an open hearing. hi. look forward to keeping in touch. senator. >> how about that? who knew she was an obsessive twitter reader. anyway, meanwhile, edward snowden remains in hiding. he spoke with the "south china morning post" from a safe house somewhere in hong kong. i'm not here to hide from justice. i'm here to reveal criminality. my intention is to ask the courts and people of hong kong to decide my fate. experts say he may be deluding

himself. hong kong does not have a strong tradition of support for political asylum. this morning, beijing took advantage, responding in the state-run "china daily" that the, quote, massive u.s. global surveillance program is certain to stain washington's overseas image. of course, president obama with the new chinese president over the weekend spent a lot of time le lecturing the chinese president about their cyber spying. the cia's deputy director is retiring after twice being passed over for the big job. will be replaced by the president's deputy assistant and deputy counsel for national security affairs. the first woman to ever hold that job at the cia.

tomorrow is the six month anniversary of the new town shooting. though the gun issue has been somewhat dormant, there are sign, it's time to get ready for round two of this heated political debate. the newtown families are on the hill today. they'll be holding a news conference with democratic leaders. they'll be meeting with the republican leaders of the house. according to the new york tooiptooip "times," the white house is quietly moving forward on the issues. the president's post man on the issue, vice president biden, will deliver a speech on guns next week. yesterday, newtown families met with west virginia senator joe manchin. the nra has a new ad that slams manchin for pushing that background check compromise a few months ago. >> remember this tv ad? >> i'm joe manchin.

i approve this ad. because i'll always defend west virginia. >> as your senator, i'll protect our second amendment rights. >> that was joe manchin's commitment. now manchin is working with president obama and new york mayor michael bloomberg. concerned? you should be. >> clearly for the nra things with manchin have got ten a little personal. there was an nra rep in manchin's office as he was drawing up the background check deal with pat toomey. so how did this relationship get like this? the nra push follows a letter earlier this week from new york city michael bloomberg to a thousand major new york democratic donors, urging theei to withhold contribution, to the four democrats who votel the against the bill. only two of them are running in 2014. though there are some national

donors who are upset, the fact of the matter is whileseriously for the two of them, don't forget they come from small state, and money is not going to be the reason why they either win or lose for re-election. still, the guy who's in charge of getting democrats elected to the u.s. senate as head of the democratic senatorial campaign committee, he was noncommittal. saying of bloomberg, quote, i'm not going to make a judgment. he's entitled to do what he needs to do. he's capitalized on bloomberg's criticism. using him as a punching bag in his race. now the nra is also going on the air to defend pryor. the radio ad mentions the 2008 murder of arkansas democratic chairman bill quatny. don't let this point escape you. where are they going up with

cheaper radio spots and, by the way, looking, where are they going to defend mark pryor. interest groups on both sides are determined to bring guns to the forefront. what's still unclear is who it will help. yesterday you saw former congressman patrick murphy who is a senior fellow at the center for american progress says he believes guns as an issue is going to help democrats in 2013. >> i think virginia will be ground zero for gun votes. will show virginians believe in background checks. >> call me a skeptic that the gun control crowd can play offense and succeed in a lower turnout election year. virginia could be an interesting test case. history has shown that particularly in these nonpresidential years this issue is not usually a good issue for the gun control side. finally today, hillary clinton makes her chicago play.

they share the stage together. there was a time when the person in the democratic party most associated with chicago nationally was hillary. chicago democratic donors were important early supporters of bill clinton in 1991. today, the chicago courtship begins again. hillary clinton will appear on a panel with chicago mayor rahm emanuel who has always straddled the clinton/obama world. as hillary clinton tries to court obama world, once again, the clintons, it's two steps forward, one step back someti , sometimes. something bill clinton said appears to create the appearance of a potential split. at a closed tuesday event with senator john mccain, clinton said, according to politico who

acquired a recording of the event, some people say, okay, see what a big mess it is, stay out. i think that's a big mistake. i adegree wigree with you, somes better to just get caught trying. quote, you just think how lame you'd be. support i had let 1 million people, 2 million people be refugees out of kosovo. couple hundred thousand people die. and they say you could have stopped this by dropping a few bombs. why didn't you do it? and i say, because the house of representatives voted 75% against it. you look like a total wuss and you would be. just remember this when it come, to the issue of syria and how president obama feels. clinton obviously has regrets about not intervening in rwanda. he had success in intervening in

kosovo. obama looks at iraq that didn't have a good end game and thinks what is intervention going to get us if we don't have an end game out of it. for what it's worth, bill clinton isn't the only one who has a different opinion about this. there are people in the obama administration who do not agree. up next, plugging leaks. we're going to talk to montana senator jon tester who heard firsthand about the nsa surveillance program. can democrats hold on to that open senate seat that's in his home state? and it's decision day at the supreme court. we're waiting on a number of major decisions. a lot of those landmark decisions could come down in the next hour. here's a look ahead at some

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why does a contract have access to information that we're spending $13 billion to prevent outsiders from getting their hands on? we've got to address that. that is of serious concern to us and something we have to fix.

>> there are nearly half a million private firm employees who have access to the country's sensitive secrets. why do so many contractors have access to such sensitivity information? the leak could lead intelligence agencies to reconsider how they rely on this. joining me now, jon tester. senator, good morning, sir. >> good morning, chuck. >> so this issue of a government contractor having all of this information and obviously mr. snowden claims he had access to even more information. are you satisfied with the answers you got yesterday from general alexander? >> i think they're still in process of analyzing where they are too. i think the general was quite honest. i asked him point blank after that answer if they were ready to get after the contractors.

he said, we haven't made that full analysis yet. it brings up this point that we spend a lot of money trying to keep this information out of the hands of folks who are trying to do harm to us when, in fact, we have to pay attention to folks on the inside too. >> what do you think of the decision by mr. snowden to release this information? >> as far as the verizon sweep information, he should have probably done something different. on the other side of the coin, it gives us an opportunity to have a debate on this issue we've never had. if he has been giving other information out to the chinese or anybody else, we need to get hip ba him back in this country and try h him and penalize him. the bottom line, as far as the release of the verizon material

on the meta data, i don't know how that compromised our national security. now, there may be other things that he did that truly has compromised our national security, in which case he needs to pay the price for that. >> do we overclassify in the intelligence community? >> i wish i could tell you that. but i'm not on the intelligence committee. and one thing is for sure, i think that, you know, six years ago we were talking about targeting individuals who were putting us at risk and we made a switch somewhere in the last six years to pulling in massive amounts of data and then determining from that who the target's going to be. and it would really be good for us in the senate to have a conversation about that. that may be the right thing to do. it may not be the right thing to do. bottom line is we've got two things that i think we can have the best of both worlds. we can have our free dopedoms a can also have our security. we need to have the debate.

>> i remember in your 2006 campaign you were aggressive against your point at the time about the patriot act in particular. very skeptical of it. the more you've learned about it, the more you've seen it, you know, now a couple of congresses sort of reapprove it again, reauthorize it, are you still comfortable with the patriot act provisions? >> i'm still very skeptical. section 215, is very, very broad. i'm very skeptical of that. this country is really founded upon freedom and liberty. and we need to be careful to maintain that. we know there are people out there who want to do severe harm to this country. i think we have to have a good conversation to make sure it

doesn't swing too far to the side of government overreach. >> couple other questions. this issue of taking sexual assaults out of the chain of command when dealing with an accusation, senator gillibrand has legislation that would set up a separate military committee that would look into these. where do you stand? >> first of all, there should be zero tolerance. if i were secretary of defense hagel, i would bring the generals in and say, look, folks, this is going to stop and it is going to stop today. anybody who commits it or assists in the hiding of it is out. i think that stops it. this thing is -- this is about

leadership. needs to bring in the generals and say, it's over, zero tolerance. if you commit sexual assault, you are out immediately. if you're -- if you work with somebody to try to cover it up, same thing, you're out. i think it would soflve the problem. >> it sounds like you believe it should stay in the chain of command? >> i believe you need leadership at the top. i think if that happens, and truly mean it, i think the military sexual assault will stop tomorrow. >> does that mean you would vote against gillibrand's amendment? >> i have to look at gillibrand's amendment. the truth is, we can do all the things we want around here, tweak on this issue. it should not be tolerated. and if there's leadership in the military, it will not happen. >> montana senate race 2014. the other senate seat there,

brian switzer, is he running or not? >> i'd bet the farm he's running. >> democrats worried somehow maybe he's having second thoughts, they shouldn't worry? >> i haven't talked to brian in six months, but the truth is is he's working on a mine issue right now. i anticipate, and my crystal ball is still a little cloudy, but i anticipate he's going to get into this thing. >> senator jon tester, democrat, from montana, senator tester, thanks for coming on this morning. still to come, why are republicans struggling when talking about abortion? is like hammering.

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review the juror's questionnaire and whether he was comfortable with his attorney's decisions as to which jurors to dismiss. the attorneys have focused on trying to find out what they've learned about trayvon mart be's shooting death through the media. trayvon's father said after wednesday's proceedings that he believes the jury will be fair. >> we are encouraged that we as a family can get justice for my son trayvon. we ask the public come forth and be honest as potential jurors. >> zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to second degree murder charges. we are less than a minute away from the opening bell on wall street. a three-day slide has dragged the dow back under 15,000. some new data may help get it back on track today.

weekly jobless claims fell to 334,000. that is close to a five-year low. i didn't know we could drop below 340. in addition, retail sales were up a point, 6% in may, led by a huge jump in auto sales. the news isn't as good for foreign markets. japan's nikkei index hit a low earlier today dragging down stocks in europe and asia. up next, we're taking a deep dive into some midterm math. you know some of it. there's some math here you need to get to know. some of those lawmakers who lost the last time around are hoping for a comeback in 2014. see if they can get that sixth year in so they can get their pension. don't forget to head over to our facebook page. the conversation continues there all day long. you're watching "the daily runnirun down" only msnbc.

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look where i am. touch screen time. republicans have spent the last three years redrawing congressional districts in an effort to build a political fire wall that will help them hold on to the house in 2014 and beyond. today, a deep dive into the other built-in advantage. it's a boom and boost voting pattern that has favored republicans in every recent midterm election. let me show you. look at, we'll show you some interesting splits when it comes to the exit polls in 2012. as we can see, older white voters tend to skew republican. when it comes to the midterms, those are the types of voters that show up at the ballot box. check this out. when you look at this, charts from the cook political report

broke down the electorate in house races over the last 20 years. they show the widest companiy ce of voters occurs in midterms. it is just an obvious pattern to take a look at. during the past five presidential election years, the gap between voters under 45 and over 45 has been an average of just six points. look at midterm years. the gap swells to an average of 24 points. it used to be that disparity didn't matter as much. 2006, they were roughly split between the two parties. that's changed dramatically in recent years. voters over 60 picked the gop by 16 points in 2010. last year, romney won seniors by 12. it's also one other thing that benefits republicans here when

it companies y comes to midterm. a similar voting pattern. the gap has shrunk over the years. you can look at it. it always pops back up from whatever it was the presidential election before that. built on younger nonwhite voters. the republicans have consolidated older voters and white voters. and in a midterm year, that gives them a near-term advantage. though potentially slowly fading away as the decade rolls on. joining me now, david wasserman, the house editor for the cook political report. good morning to you, sir. >> good morning, professor todd. >> i think you get to be the professor in this case. we already knew the way the boundaries were drawn, democrats

won a million more raw house vote in 2012 and still fell some 17 seats short. we already knew about the build-in advantage of just republican leaning districts. but this voting advantage in the midterms is something that i think people were just not as tuned into. go more into it. >> this is really a double whammy for democrats. if democrats can get the house back in a presidential year, how are they going to get the house back or gain seats in the senate in a midterm year when the proportion of voters between the ages of 18 and 29 goes down from 19% to in 2010 it was 12%. if it goes down to anywhere in that neighborhood, democrats can basically subtract two or three points from their 2012 totals. and come up with a reasonable starting point of expectation, for where they're going to start off a campaign in 2014.

it's this unprecedented generational and racial divide in the electorate that really compounds democrat's problems when it comes to redistricting. >> now, just seven years ago, we've had a similar breakdown. we just showed the 2006 electorate, you know, was not a particularly -- the white to nonwhite breakdown was not something that was particularly favorable to the democrats. but they won control of congress thanks to doing better than expected among seniors. how much do democrats have to overperform with independents in the midterms and with seniors in order to make up for these gaps? >> well, democrats have to do two very challenging things. they have to get their base out, which they haven't been able to do in midterm years. they also have to mitigate their losses among seniors. and they have to win over independents by a large margin. i think democrats probably need to win independent voters in excess of ten points to even gain seats in the house more

than about five seats. they need 17. so it's a very, very tough balancing act for democrats to appeal to not only seniors but appeal to their base of young voters to make sure they don't fall off as much as they have in past midterms. >> we did a jen ngeneric ballot. we had democrats up about three. about the same margin they were. when you look at these national polls, i had a polster tell me when you factor in particularly just simply the lines themselves, the reapportionment lines, the democrats ongeneric ballot test would have to lead by double digits before anybody like you would say the house is in play. >> these generic ballot polls tend to overestimate democratic support. particularly considering how bad the republican brand is nationally. when you go down to a district basis, you see that the generic

ballot poll tests for an election that will never take place. these elections at the end of the day, even if there is a national wave are 435 individual races. and there are a lot of republicans sitting in marginal districts who have better personal brands. by many, many points. you think of some of these districts particularly in the northeast where a lot of socially moderate republicans do well. that really makes democrat's job of getting of seats they need a lot tougher. >> you look at new jersey and that can show you that. obviously, how do they use the obama turnout machine to benefit them in a midterm? of course, nobody's been able to crack that code yet. and we'll find out in 2013 in virginia and what's the dccc trying to do for 2014? >> 2013 is going to be a great

test case for democrats for what's effective for casualelec. out to the polls. they'll takele lessons into the next year. the dccc is well aware of the challenges. right now, the name of the game is recruiting candidates. they have to tell these perspective democratic candidates that 2014 is going to be a tough year but come 2016, if you're thinking about holding off till then, you're not going to have the field all to yourself. so they're encouraging candidates to get in. it's not clear whether they'll have good prospects. >> he's having a lot of trouble getting people to run in 2014, these same people say, hey, we'll run, when hillary

clinton's at the top of the ticket. up next, with the gaggle, republican's latest trouble. talking about the issue of abortion. plus, we're just a few minutes away from some possible major decisions. we're waiting four big ones. we'll see if one of them or more gets announced at 10:00. the white house soup of the day may be the greatest soup ever invented. french onion. why? because you melt cheese on top of it. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ yeah?

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congressman franks, one of the most stalwart proponents of abortion rights, responding to a comment when this happened. >> the amendment does not make any requirement that the rape or incest be reported. my question is what difference does that make? >> before when my friends on the left side of the aisle here tried to make rape and incest the subject -- because, you know, the incidents of rape resulting in pregnancy are very low, but when you make that exception, there's usually a requirement to report the rape within 48 hours. >> let's bring in our gaggle. welcome. trent franks, not todd akin. some democrats simply wanted to

hope they found this moment, this youtube moment, that they were going to be able to turn him into todd akin. it strikes me as though the republican party has forgotten how to talk about abortion. >> any time you hear the words rape and pregnancy and abortion on the house floor, democrats are going to pounce on it. >> committee. >> i'm sorry, committee room. out of the mouth of any lawmaker, i think it's going to become a topic. don't know getting down into the details of it benefits anyone. so i think yeah, i think the republican party hasn't learned to talk about it. i think probably talking about it is specifics of rape and incest and abortion are never helpful to them. >> what's interesting here is the public's views on abortion, you know, really moves, david, very little, you know, there's always some shift every now and then, three points here, one way or another, as far as if you classify the country as more pro choice or more pro-life. really depends how you define the answer. but the republican party has moved decidedly to the right on the issue of abortion. >> no doubt about it. i think the last five republican

presidential nominees have not been in line with the plat for, right, they have allowed for this exception of rape, incest, life of the mother, right. so they have moved right in that way. because now so many of the groups demand of the candidates that they not support the exceptions. yet that's not where the presidential nome in as have been for the last five, sick nominees. >> i think this is the disconnect between the party's brand image problem, particularly with women voters. presidential nominees know this. >> one of the interesting things, whether it's this or whether it's, for example, outreach to younger communities, women and minority voters is that it's a messaging issue. just yesterday the governor of wynn wi we wisconsin went on record saying he would, in fact, consider having some kind of mandatory ultrasound for women before they are able to seek an abortion. and that certainly dove tails

with what happened last year with governor mcconnell here in virginia. it's not just about messaging. it's about substance. any way you look at it, in fact, if you quantify it, it's 30,000 incidents of rape per year according to reports. it's just not good for the republican party. >> correct me if i'm wrong, i thought the republican party, i thought this whole thing about messaging problems, a lot of it had to do with social issues. i thought -- wrote, seep seems nobody in the republican party listened to thatmessaging, in t instance, this was not some sort of speech, this was almost some sort of parathennical phrase. this is not something he went out and -- >> there's no doubt, but the fact this is part of the agenda. this is a bill that will go to the house floor. are they passing job bills?

are they passing immigration billings out of the house? and they're doing this. >> you remember the same thing happened with todd akin. it wasn't perceiveld as somethig that was supposed to be circles amongst themselves and then it blew up. same thing with this. not good. >> i think it does get to this larger issue that republicans who used to be so good about talking about life, being very careful, side stepping some of these things, there's no side stepping any more. stick around we'll talk about the clintons. how many women have represented montana in congress? the answer is only one but it's an important one. jeanette rankin who was the first women ever elected to congress and the first and only woman elected to represent montana. don't tweet to it me. when you tweet it to me

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